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Post by apocress on Apr 20, 2008 14:33:16 GMT -5
Greetings,
I am trying to understand the purpose of the “Roles” that Necronom offers us to choose to RP as in collaboration with the plot and story provided to us. Necronom VI is quite a wonderful Sci-Fi themed RP place that I find myself coming to again and again to enjoy interaction and RP with other players who enjoy the same genra. When we play here we are to chose a “role” and go from there. There is a lot of diversity to chose from in Necronom, anything from Slave traders, Pirates, Solders, or Science Officers.
When we are given a role it was my understanding and to have good form to stick within the role of which you have chosen to RP. My understanding of “roles” are simply to influence RP between players. For example… Lets assume that PlayerA wears “Soldier” over their head, and visually wears all the items that depicts PlayerA as a soldier. So, PlayerA is a soldier. If PlayerA needs some work on sophisticated piece of technology that PlayerA would have to find another player who maybe have a title above their head or visually looks like some kind of science officer that could aid him. This is my example of my understanding of “roles” and how they are understood to me why they are there and to promote RP amongst the playing community.
Today I run into a yet another player (It happens a lot) named Rangiku Nakamori who proved to me yet again that there are people out there who ignore the objectives of roles. It is not the first time I have seen someone labeled a “Soldier” claim to be able to also perform the roles of a science officer (my role). I am not going to go into detail of the RP situation because that is pointless. She simply RP’ed both a soldier and a science officer. Which leaves me questioning… What is the point of roles if we have players basically “God-Moding”. Because that is what I feel when people who RP both a soldier and science officer is doing. It throws the whole purpose of why we have roles in the first place, the promotion of RP.
RP is often spoiled by players who insist their characters are masters of the universe. Without naming names of people who do this (they know who they are) it is quite unsettling to those who try to work themselves into RP by being the needed role that shows up but then is pushed to the side because one of the people who really in RP probably have no reason for knowing what they know but says, “Hey I can do that too!”
I find myself both annoyed and hurt by people who do this because it makes it harder to join in the RP.
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Post by harlequin on Apr 20, 2008 15:24:03 GMT -5
At the risk of being short, a soldier is not just some dumb hunk of meat with a rifle. The large majority of military members are not infantrymen. They're skilled troops, be it front line or support people.
In our modern era, there are already soldiers trained in everything from mechanical work to high tech work on computers and electronics systems, and in the future it will only be moreso.
Take a sci-fi soldier with a high tech rifle and a fancy-ass suit of armour... maybe a combat drone as well, like a tiny lil tank. He's going to be trained in their basic operation and upkeep, and may be skilled in repairing and the like.
I understand that not everyone is good at everything, but by putting a "soldier" into a specific skillset, or a "science officer" into another, robs then of their individuality. And especially since this is an open RP... I see no reason why my character can't be a soldier, with some small amount of technical skill in terms of military hardware. -shrug- I mean, as long as its not Goku, throwing over 9000 fireballs, its no reason to get upset, aye?
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Post by x2 on Apr 21, 2008 3:07:54 GMT -5
I think what Aprocess is saying is that she wonders about those who seem to be utterly skilled, in every way on every subject. That would concern me too....because it's called "God Modding" and various other terms. One doesn't have to be "indestructable" or "invincible" to be a God Modder, they simply have to be God in their RP "I can do ANYTHING! I know EVERYTHING!! HAHAHAHAHAHhahahahhhhhh *cough cough cough*" Personally I try not to get annoyed with people who RP this way. I simply find elsewhere to be rather than RP with them.
On the other side of the coin, Aprocess, Necronom has the problem of people who are supposed to fill specific roles not holding up their end by being present. Which if it's just one or two or 20 people is fine...unless that role only consists of 1 or 2 or 20 people. If one needs a scientist/medical person/soldier/alien and none are ever present...one may take the option (as I myself have at times) of "knowing" how to do those jobs, so that the RP can continue without having to go on a frantic hunt for someone who isn't...indeed may never be around.
In the end the best rule of thumb in my opinion is: play your character as you have envisioned him/her/it and have fun....if your fun consists of being a god-like creature who can't be harmed, outwitted, overpowered, or out maneuvered...then have fun away from me but by all means....have fun.
In the end if you're not having fun....then it's time to figure out why, and do what you can do to find what makes it fun for you.
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Post by rangikunakamori on Apr 21, 2008 7:17:40 GMT -5
ignorance..think before you talk and do yourself a favor, be in a good mood before you do, anger blinds the mind. im not going to say anything cause you only seem to get more and more angry as you clearly dont get the concept
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Post by apocress on Apr 22, 2008 0:08:19 GMT -5
ignorance..think before you talk and do yourself a favor, be in a good mood before you do, anger blinds the mind. im not going to say anything cause you only seem to get more and more angry as you clearly dont get the concept I posted a very polite and uninflammitory post, negating all the drama that transpired. I think your reply shows you are incapable of returning a mature intellectual response to justify your actions. I patiently wait for such clarifications. |
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Post by BTP Captain Ko'Terie Itoku on Apr 22, 2008 7:10:07 GMT -5
I personally don't see the point in arguing about this. It's petty. But... I'm going to stand up for those who are being complained about based on my own experience, not because I know anything about Rangiku.
Apocress, I roleplayed with you just once and have avoided doing so since then for a very simple reason. You forced myself and another person to have to do the very thing you're complaining about.
Banner and I were trying to help someone who'd been attacked by a breeder. We needed assistance from someone in the lab. At the time, you'd labeled yourself with 'Engineer.' We asked if you were part of the medical staff and even asked if you knew where one of them might be... giving an explanation of what we were doing for the girl.
Rather than offer to help, you said you were an Engineer and left it at that. Then, when Banner stepped up and said he could figure out how to use the machine because he'd watched someone before (which I would consider rather valid and not god-moding), we received In Character abuse from you about how "everyone knows everything." When we asked you to help after the abuse started and were joined by Justine (who asked you to help or shut up), you were still reluctant... so we proceeded on our own and got the job done. (Oh no, the world is ending -- two CMC and a BTP managed to work together to help someone! *gasp!*)
If you want to point fingers and complain, start pointing at yourself. And don't bother flaming back at me, because I won't reply. We're at Necronom to roleplay and have fun -- not to adhere to rigid ideals that fit nicely inside a box. If you haven't noticed, a lot of the people at Necronom are in roles that they weren't before coming to the station. So how are you to know that they -weren't- trained in the science field before becoming a soldier?
Happy RPing, everyone!
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Post by apocress on Apr 22, 2008 8:08:17 GMT -5
Criticism noted and will take into consideration.
I have no interest in flaming anyone and I am taking effort to do my part to make sure I don't contribute to it. There are ways to discuss things without being obnoxious.
Regarding the event you explained. All I can say to that is, Sorry, I was quite frustrated at the time and chose to opt out when it was a similar situation when I was simply trying to get in the roleplay and then only after I complain was I offered to, "Help or shut up." It was simply just a flustered situation for me.
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Post by queenmissy on Apr 30, 2008 0:41:49 GMT -5
Hi Apocress.
You bring up an issue that I am dealing with. I believe that responsibilities should be divided between roles. There are a number of Necronom RPers that have been there for a while and have gained many abilities by having learned them, mostly because all roles aren't there at the same time. There were times when soldiers weren't around so scientists had to learn to defend themselves. Characters are forced to expand their RP,or just sit there and wait for the correct role to show up. This can be frustrating because roles don't imply that you can't defend yourself if you are a scientist( though I would hope a scientist would use science to do so...not a rifle), and you can't solve minor problems as a soldier( though they should stay out of lab work).
Another issue is that after weeks of having to RP a "dual role" your character kind of grows into it. You feel like you're letting the character down if she or he just forgets the abilities they were taught to do. I personally run into problems when new people, or new to me RPers haven't built their characters up(through meaningfull RP, not just deciding that today they have new powers) and think it's not fair that you have "grown" as a character. Missy, my character, came to Necronom as a confused girl that grew tentacles, and wanted to find out why. I spent months growing her into what she is today(through RP).
That said...
Your situation may not be at all what I'm writing about. The guy could have just been a Jerk. I think people shouldn't ignore other people's specialties. If you are a soldier and you're fixing a computer, and a scientist shows up, you shouldn't ignore their input, fit it into the RP(or change your role to scientist). People should be able to do what they enjoy doing. I try to split things up. I love to delegate responsibility, it adds a certain richness to the RP and makes it more interesting( and frees up my time for more fun things, that I enjoy).
This forum should help people communicate, and help solve RP issues.
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